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		<title>A Multi-site Critique</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/08/05/a-multi-site-critique/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a thoughtful critique of the multi-site model of churches on the Out of Ur blog.  I certainly have my cynicism about the model, but always thought the same thing that he states in point #2 of the article.  I think he answers my objection well.  Read the critique here.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thoughtful critique of the multi-site model of churches on the Out of Ur blog.  I certainly have my cynicism about the model, but always thought the same thing that he states in point #2 of the article.  I think he answers my objection well.  Read the critique <a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2008/08/multisite_the_l.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>PCUSA Approves Homosexual Clergy</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/06/30/pcusa-approves-homosexual-clergy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Up to a few years ago, I was working at a PCUSA church.  I also used to be a student at Columbia Theological Seminary, a PCUSA seminary, before transferring to RTS.  For those outside the terminology, the PCUSA is the more liberal branch of the Presbyterian Church in the United States, not to be confused [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up to a few years ago, I was working at a PCUSA church.  I also used to be a student at Columbia Theological Seminary, a PCUSA seminary, before transferring to RTS.  For those outside the terminology, the PCUSA is the more liberal branch of the Presbyterian Church in the United States, not to be confused with PCA, EPC, OPC, or others.  Well, it seems that they have made steps to go ahead and approve of the ordination of practicing homosexuals in America. Albert Mohler discusses the vote <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=1178">here</a>.  Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>The ABBA Fund for Adoption</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/06/18/the-abba-fund-for-adoption/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard from two different sources about the ABBA fund today.  Something all churches should at least look into and consider.
Many believers are stepping out in faith and following God’s direction to care for orphans and expand their families through adoption, yet these families often are discouraged by seemingly insurmountable financial obstacles along the way. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard from two different sources about the ABBA fund today.  Something all churches should at least look into and consider.</p>
<blockquote><p>Many believers are stepping out in faith and following God’s direction to care for orphans and expand their families through adoption, yet these families often are discouraged by seemingly insurmountable financial obstacles along the way. By establishing adoption funds, local churches can directly minister to their own church families by removing the financial barriers so often faced by adoptive families. At The ABBA Fund, we desire to use our experience and passion for adoption to assist churches in establishing and administering church adoption funds. We provide our services at no charge to the church so that every dollar contributed will be used to assist families in their time of need.</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.abbafund.org/funds.html#consider">Why should a church consider establishing an Adoption Fund?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.abbafund.org/funds.html#sense">What is involved?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.abbafund.org/funds.html#benefits">What are the benefits of establishing a church adoption fund in partnership with The ABBA Fund?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.abbafund.org/funds.html#start">How do I start an adoption fund at my church?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.abbafund.org/funds.html#partner">How else can my church partner with The ABBA Fund?</a></li>
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<p>[ht: <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/06/church-adoption-funds.html">Between Two Worlds]</a></p>
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		<title>Royalty-Free Theology</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/06/03/royalty-free-theology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[You gotta love it when you get free stuff.  I recently tried to attend the Dwell church planters conference in New York City.  I just missed the cut and got added to the wait list&#8230; a list that I never got off.  As an urban city dweller and as one interested in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.reformergent.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dwell_logo.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-71" align="right" title="dwell_logo" src="http://www.reformergent.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dwell_logo.gif" alt="" width="250" height="130" /></a>You gotta love it when you get free stuff.  I recently tried to attend the Dwell church planters conference in New York City.  I just missed the cut and got added to the wait list&#8230; a list that I never got off.  As an urban city dweller and as one interested in church planting, I thought this would be an awesome conference to attend, yet I was saddened that I could not attend.  Well, to my surprise, Acts 29 recently linked all the audio from the sessions on the conference as well the booklet.  You gotta love people who are not trying to market thought, allowing it to be free for all. That&#8217;s also why I like a guy like John Piper. Wherever you stand on his theology, he openly distributes a ton of resources and content on his site free of charge.  That, to me, shows humility about how the knowledge was gained.  Anyway, here&#8217;s the links to the Dwell conference audio and booklet:</p>
<p>Session 1: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_CJMahaney-DwellingInTheCross.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127010">Dwelling in the Cross - C.J. Mahaney</a><br />
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<p>Session 2: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_EdStetzer_DwellingInTheKingdom.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127012">Dwelling in the Kingdom Mission - Ed Stetzer</a><br />
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<p>Session 3: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_EricMason_DwellingIncarnationally.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127013">Dwelling Incarnationally - Eric Mason</a><br />
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<p>Session 4: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_MarkDriscoll_DwellingInTheText.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127015">Dwelling in the Text - Mark Driscoll</a><br />
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<p>Session 5: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_DarrinPatrick_DwellingWithNon-Christians.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127011">Dwelling with Non-Christians - Darrin Patrick</a><br />
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<p>Session 6: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_TimKeller_DwellingInTheGospel.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127016">Dwelling in the Gospel - Tim Keller</a><br />
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<p>Session 7: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_MarkDriscoll_DwellingThruTheText.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127079">Dwelling through the Text - Mark Driscoll</a><br />
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<p>Session 8: <a href="http://api.monkcms.com/Clients/download.php?sid=26&amp;url=http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/DwellNYC08_Tim_Keller_Persuasion.mp3&amp;mediaBID=127020">Persuasion - Tim Keller</a><br />
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<p><a href="http://www.acts29network.org/mediafiles/2008-dwell-nyc-manual.pdf">Dwell Conference Manual</a></p>
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		<title>What Are You Afraid To Say At Church?</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/05/20/what-are-you-afraid-to-say-at-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Anne Jackson recently posted a question &#8220;What is something you feel you can’t say in church, or around other Christians?&#8221;  Its amazing to see the responses, which are at 133 and growing.  Some are just dead on that a lot of us sometimes struggle with, like &#8220;I’d rather look like a good christian [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Jackson recently posted a question &#8220;<a title="Keeping Your Mouth Shut" href="http://www.flowerdust.net/2008/05/05/keeping-your-mouth-shut/">What is something you feel you can’t say in church, or around other Christians?</a>&#8221;  Its amazing to see the responses, which are at 133 and growing.  Some are just dead on that a lot of us sometimes struggle with, like &#8220;I’d rather look like a good christian than put in the time and effort to actually be one,&#8221; or &#8220;Sometimes I wonder if this whole Christianity thing is a lie.&#8221;  Then there&#8217;s always the odd ones like, &#8220;When I’m leading worship, I sometimes think of all 31 flavors of ice cream at Baskin Robbins.&#8221;  Great question to ask, Anne. Thanks for the link, <a href="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/">David</a>.</p>
<p>Its really amazing to me the amount of stuff you can&#8217;t really talk about amongst Christians, particularly in the context of churches.  Its like a hospital where you can&#8217;t tell the doctor what&#8217;s actually wrong with you.  You&#8217;ve got some ear infection, but all you can say is, &#8220;I&#8217;m sick&#8221; and that&#8217;s it.  And don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not entirely throwing out church discipline, since there is a biblical presidence  for it, but when do we allow sinners to be sinners in need of a savior.</p>
<p>So, Reformergent readers, what is something you feel you can&#8217;t say in church?</p>
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		<title>Something Just Ain&#8217;t Right</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/04/21/something-just-aint-right/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[At my church, we have been talking a lot about what it means to be the church and what the church looks like in the context of the community of northwest Atlanta.  Its a church that was born out of the Willow Creek model of seeker sensitivity and there has been a groundswell of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my church, we have been talking a lot about what it means to be the church and what the church looks like in the context of the community of northwest Atlanta.  Its a church that was born out of the <a href="http://willowcreek.org/">Willow Creek</a> model of seeker sensitivity and there has been a groundswell of support to lose that model in favor of a more missional model of church, moving the church outside of its own walls.  Our pastor even recently emailed me Sally Morgenthaler&#8217;s <a title="Worship as Evangelism" href="http://www.rev.org/article.asp?ID=2409" target="_blank">article</a> that basically critiques the seeker model.</p>
<p>I heard <a href="http://www.cornerstonesimi.com/">Francis Chan</a> talk back in the fall and was really moved by his heart for Scripture, to remain as radically biblical as possible.  He even pointed out that if Jesus had a church in the same city as his, his own church would probably be bigger, because they call people to an easier commitment than what Christ does.  His passion is really moving.  He is now doing a series on the church and they are looking at shifting their model completely, lead by those in the church, elders, staff, etc.  He basically states that he doesn&#8217;t care what size the church is if we aren&#8217;t doing it right.  Here&#8217;s a video they showed during a recent sermon:</p>
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<p>In her book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Believing-God-Beth-Moore/dp/0805431896">Believing God</a> referring to the American church, Beth Moore states that there&#8217;s such a gap between our theology and our reality that we set ourselves up for ridicule.  When you look at the book of Acts, its definitely radical, but it makes sense.  It makes sense that when you watch a man you&#8217;ve followed for three years die on a cross, then come back and start talking to you and tells you He is the Son of God, that it changes everything.  Doesn&#8217;t it make sense that if the Creator of the universe sent his own Son in human form, had him die on a cross to pay for your individual crimes, and you saw him rise from the grave to show that he has power over death, that it would change everything about your life?  Doesn&#8217;t it makes sense that when we believe in our head and heart that we are going to exist a million years from now, that it would change everything?  What doesn&#8217;t make any rational sense is if we saw the believers in the early church see Christ rise from the dead and believe the resurrection, but yet their lives didn&#8217;t look any different.  They just attend church and give a few bucks.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s such a disconnect for me from what I read in Acts and the early church and what I see in the American church.  Its very easy to sit there and say, &#8220;Well, that was the early church and things were just different&#8230;&#8221; to which I ask &#8220;Why?&#8221;  Why can&#8217;t today&#8217;s churches be like that?  I think the American church has squeezed Christ into their agenda of what they think best instead of turning to scripture and looking at exactly what it tells us.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%204:7-21;&amp;version=47;">1 John 4</a> tell us that <em>no one</em> has really seen God, but if we, as a community of believers, love one another, than people will be able to see some kind of picture of Christ.  Its not about a great band or incredible speaker or great program, but about a supernatural love amongst the community of believers that is truly radical and different from the rest of the world.  People can see God through that.</p>
<p>Francis uses a great analogy talking about how we are basically sitting at a blackjack table at church.  We care very little about the wins and losses of those around us, but deal directly with the blackjack dealer themselves.  The dealer is the only one who matters at the table.  He states that we should break that model, and for radical community to truly exist amongst the people of the church.</p>
<p>What would happen to this country if we take this to heart?  If we broke down all the walls that define us as churches and really learned to live and love as a community of believers.</p>
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		<title>The Prosperity Gospel Veil</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/03/04/the-prosperity-gospel-veil/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a resident in Atlanta, surrounded by the likes of Creflo Dollar and Bishop Eddie Long, destain for the prosperity gospel runs pretty deep.  Its still amazing to me that these men, and others around the country, have some of the largest congregations in the country, yet preach a gospel of unfulfilled promises.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a resident in Atlanta, surrounded by the likes of Creflo Dollar and Bishop Eddie Long, destain for the prosperity gospel runs pretty deep.  Its still amazing to me that these men, and others around the country, have some of the largest congregations in the country, yet preach a gospel of unfulfilled promises.  Its a gospel that not only distorts scripture, but flies in the face of 2000 years worth of interpretation.  Even Creflo has come out and said that Jesus was never poor.  I don&#8217;t know how theologians missed that point all this time.  He must be much wiser than them.  Here&#8217;s Joel Osteen preaching a very standard prosperity gospel message:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;See, too often we accept things: defeat, mediocrity, rejection, addictions.  People tell me, &#8220;Joel, that&#8217;s just who I am.&#8221;  But with all do respect, that&#8217;s not who you really are.  You are a child of the most high God.  He has paid the price so that we may be totally free.  That means free from bad habits and addictions, free from fear and worry, free from discouragement and depression, free from poverty and lack, free from low self-esteem.  God wants us to be totally free.  Scripture tells us to take hold of ALL Christ died and rose again for.  It all starts right here.  You have to know that you not only have a right to be free, but that God has already empowered you with everything you need to overcome.  You need to start seeing yourself the right way.  You are not a sick person trying to get well, you are a well person fighting off sickness.  God made you healthy and whole.</p>
<p>Our original state is total freedom.  If you&#8217;re going to be free, you need to know who you are.  You&#8217;re not just anybody, you&#8217;re a child of the most high God.  He has breathed his very life into you.  You have his royal blood flowing through your veins.  Its the blood of a champion.  You&#8217;re not ordinary, you come from great stock.  Your heavenly Father spoke the worlds into existence.  Long before you ever got here, He was thinking about you.  Let me assure you that He didn&#8217;t create you to be average.  He didn&#8217;t create you to barely get by,  to have all kinds of things holding you back.  You have to get the right vision.  God created you to be totally free, to have peace in your mind, to walk in divine health, to have good relationships, to have plenty to pay your bills.  God created us as victors and not victims.  Fight the good fight of faith.  Know who you are, the seed of Abraham.  You have rights and privileges.  One of those privileges is total victory.  We&#8217;re supposed to be unquestionably free.  That means free in our mind, free from worry.  We&#8217;re not all upset, because we know God is in control.  He has us in the palm of His hand.  Free from poverty and lack.  No matter what the bank account looks like, I know I am blessed and cannot be cursed.  Whatever I touch is going to prosper and succeed.&#8221; - Joel Osteen</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever happened to Jesus being born into a poor family, having no where to lay his head, having relationship problems such as friends denying or betraying Him, leaders hating Him, and a whole race of people calling for His crucifixion?  What about Paul always having a thorn in his side, likely related to some health problem?  How about Job being blameless, yet God allows his life to come crashing down around him and his health to deteriorate?  Here&#8217;s a video by John Piper based off a message he preached that just offers the exact opposite of the message Osteen and others preach every Sunday to their flocks of lemmings:</p>
<p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTc_FoELt8s</p>
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		<title>The Wounding Church</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/02/18/the-wounding-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Too many people are living in a house of fear and not in a house of love. In the past, churches have been wounders of the healers, not healers of the wounded&#8230;Our huffing and puffing to impress God and our thrashing about to fix ourselves while hiding in our pettiness and wallowing in guilt are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Too many people are living in a house of fear and not in a house of love. In the past, churches have been wounders of the healers, not healers of the wounded&#8230;Our huffing and puffing to impress God and our thrashing about to fix ourselves while hiding in our pettiness and wallowing in guilt are nauseating to God and are a flat denial of the Gospel of grace.&#8221; - Brennan Manning</p>
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		<title>A battle cry for Christian reform</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2008/01/28/a-battle-cry-for-christian-reform/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve always had a bit of a love-hate relationships with Brian McLaren.  Although I don&#8217;t always agree with his theological stances on issues or the way he tiptoes around certain questions, I do love the buttons we wants to push within the American church.  He wants to talk about things that are very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had a bit of a love-hate relationships with Brian McLaren.  Although I don&#8217;t always agree with his theological stances on issues or the way he tiptoes around certain questions, I do love the buttons we wants to push within the American church.  He wants to talk about things that are very important that most of mainstream Christianity tends to avoid.  Injustice, environmentalism, poverty, etc, etc.  Its not that the issues are completely ignored in the evangelical church, but they are not made as important as Jesus seemed to make them.  Recently, the Charlotte Observer had a great interview with Brian, asking some very direct questions.  Although, once again, I don&#8217;t agree with every answer he has, I definitely think this interview will make McLaren a little more accessible to evangelicals who have been a bit cynical towards him up til now. <a href="http://www.charlotte.com/449/story/463053.html" title="McLaren at Charlotte Observer">Click here</a> to read interview.</p>
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		<title>McKinley&#8217;s Thoughts on Emerging</title>
		<link>http://www.reformergent.org/2007/12/04/mckinleys-thoughts-on-emerging/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Case</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick McKinley of the Imago Dei community in Portland recently posted his &#8216;thoughts on the emerging church.&#8217;  He started his post by talking about the desire people often have to place people instantly into &#8216;categories&#8217; to decide whether we agree with them or don&#8217;t, often without delving into their writings or work.  To [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick McKinley of the Imago Dei community in Portland recently posted his &#8216;<a href="http://www.rickmckinley.net/2007/10/18/my-thoughts-on-the-emerging-church/" title="My Thoughts on the Emerging Church">thoughts on the emerging church</a>.&#8217;  He started his post by talking about the desire people often have to place people instantly into &#8216;categories&#8217; to decide whether we agree with them or don&#8217;t, often without delving into their writings or work.  To this, I wholeheartedly agree.  This has been done by people on all sides of the Emerging movement.  I think there are individuals in the Reformered or conservative camps who instantly label emerging folks as liberal or unorthodox.  Individuals within the emerging movement also instantly label its critics as &#8216;modern&#8217; and not &#8216;forward-thinking&#8217; just because they disagree with where they perceive the emerging church headed.</p>
<p>Just because we have difficulty putting expressions of the emerging church into categories, that does not mean we should just throw out testing these expressions against scripture.  It seems like McKinley does not agree.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are some beautiful expressions that are sprouting up all over the place, they are organic works of the Spirit of God living in and through the life of his followers.  We should be very cautious to squelch this. It is a young and fragile thing that if we fail to create a safe context for it to grow it will either shrivel up and die, or become high jacked by the more mature plants and therefore will not really be a fresh move of God at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wholeheartedly endorse creative and spirit-filled manifestations of God&#8217;s movement in His people here on earth.  But, I also understand that there&#8217;s a biblical precedent set to seek sound doctrine.  We are called to &#8220;encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it&#8221; (Titus 1.9) and Paul a warning that there will be a &#8220;time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear&#8221; (2 Tim 4.3).  I cannot ignore these scriptures and wholeheartedly endorse the full span of the movement, although McKinley states, &#8220;This is a new thing that God is doing and we should respect it as such.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know on what authority anyone can necessarily make a wholehearted endorsement like that.</p>
<p>McKinley quickly tries to recover and say that this is not to ignore 2000 years of orthodoxy.  First off, whose orthodoxy?  Orthodox Catholics believe something entirely different than orthodox Reformed people.  To simply say that some parts of the emerging church will rightfully follow the historic church orthodox beliefs and some will not does not in any way help clarify.  At the end of the day, many of those that I hear critiquing the emerging church are not criticizing the movement as a whole, but are criticizing parts where they believe the church is ceasing to be biblically orthodox.  They would do the same of any movement, but emerging is the new buzz group.</p>
<p>The goal in critique is not to establish emerging churches into what theological camp they sit in, but to help trim the growing vine of the emerging church so that it is in line with biblical orthodoxy.</p>
<p>McKinley wraps up his article with talking about new ways of looking at the trinity as well as the pioneering church, but I&#8217;m not so sure any of what he&#8217;s trying to establish is revolutionarily new.   Regarding the trinity, he says, &#8220;I hope that we can expand our theology of the Trinity from a static doctrine to a dynamic and living theology of community and transformation.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know about you, but I always thought that was essential in the Trinity, both community and transformation.  I am not sure what static doctrine he is referring to.  Secondly, regarding the church he states, &#8220;Perhaps God is emerging something that is counter cultural to the way we have been doing it.&#8221;  Movements are always doing this, from the Willow Creek seeker model to the Great Awakening, people have always been rethinking how to actually practice church, which is not necessarily counter-cultural, but in response to how to engage culture.  The culture at the time of Edwards connected with how Edwards did church.  The culture in the 80s and early 90s connected with how Willow Creek did church.  Maybe the movement is more cultural than it is counter-culture.  Its response is not to the traditional church, it is to the secular world.</p>
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